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		<title>By: half animal half machine</title>
		<link>http://thesurlybird.com/arguments/attention-basketball-fans-no-one-is-impressed/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>half animal half machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not taking issue with anything said, but if we want to discuss most impressive home crowd in the nba scene. Golden State vs Dallas tops miami  heat by far. You could picture everyone in the crowd decked in gold gettin hyphy and ghost  riding, smoking blunts and puttin their nuts in dirks grill while they were dunking on his pathetic playoff showing in his mvp season.

i can&#039;t decide if it was baron davis, stephen &quot;stole on you&quot; jackson or my hate for dirk nowitzki and steve nash that had me loving that series to death, but that stands out as one of the best home showings especially for an nba crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not taking issue with anything said, but if we want to discuss most impressive home crowd in the nba scene. Golden State vs Dallas tops miami  heat by far. You could picture everyone in the crowd decked in gold gettin hyphy and ghost  riding, smoking blunts and puttin their nuts in dirks grill while they were dunking on his pathetic playoff showing in his mvp season.</p>
<p>i can&#8217;t decide if it was baron davis, stephen &#8220;stole on you&#8221; jackson or my hate for dirk nowitzki and steve nash that had me loving that series to death, but that stands out as one of the best home showings especially for an nba crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m confused because other than that fateful Louisville game against Georgetown when Pitino wore his white linen suit, albeit for only the first half, I do not recall seeing an abundance of whiteouts at college basketball games where white is not a school color.  Perhaps I do not watch enough college basketball, but the only other whiteouts I can think of would be Michigan State, but their colors are green and white, and Texas A&amp;M, maroon and white.  As far as blackouts, those occur at schools that have black as a color:  Mizzou, Purdue, Wake Forest, Georgia, Texas Tech, Vanderbilt, etc. I think that the problem lies in the NBA, not college basketball. But that is due to the die-hard nature of college fans.  It&#039;s easy for a college to have a &quot;_____out&quot; (insert color here) because the fans of college sports live and die for their school, heeding the words of Brian Wilson and the other Beach Boys, &quot;be true to your school&quot;.  That just doesn&#039;t happen at the NBA level, except for the Heat&#039;s magical run.  People wear suits to NBA games, or Rocca Wear, and talk on their blackberries, and hope that they get facetime on the national broadcast.  Therefore, NBA franchises must rely on gimmicky marketing ploys to make their fans look passionate; see Washington Wizards.

But enough rambling already.  I enjoy the white outs, the black outs, the _______ outs, whatever it is, as long as the shirts aren&#039;t given out at the gate, or resting on your seat when you get in the stadium.  I think that basketball arenas look incredible in one color.  And I know that the Nittany Lions did not start this tradition.

My bad on bringing up other sports, I completely breezed over the basketball nature of the original post and chose to have tunnel vision towards the color discussion. Partly due to the picture of Happy Valley that you included in the original post (third pic), but my error, nonetheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m confused because other than that fateful Louisville game against Georgetown when Pitino wore his white linen suit, albeit for only the first half, I do not recall seeing an abundance of whiteouts at college basketball games where white is not a school color.  Perhaps I do not watch enough college basketball, but the only other whiteouts I can think of would be Michigan State, but their colors are green and white, and Texas A&amp;M, maroon and white.  As far as blackouts, those occur at schools that have black as a color:  Mizzou, Purdue, Wake Forest, Georgia, Texas Tech, Vanderbilt, etc. I think that the problem lies in the NBA, not college basketball. But that is due to the die-hard nature of college fans.  It&#8217;s easy for a college to have a &#8220;_____out&#8221; (insert color here) because the fans of college sports live and die for their school, heeding the words of Brian Wilson and the other Beach Boys, &#8220;be true to your school&#8221;.  That just doesn&#8217;t happen at the NBA level, except for the Heat&#8217;s magical run.  People wear suits to NBA games, or Rocca Wear, and talk on their blackberries, and hope that they get facetime on the national broadcast.  Therefore, NBA franchises must rely on gimmicky marketing ploys to make their fans look passionate; see Washington Wizards.</p>
<p>But enough rambling already.  I enjoy the white outs, the black outs, the _______ outs, whatever it is, as long as the shirts aren&#8217;t given out at the gate, or resting on your seat when you get in the stadium.  I think that basketball arenas look incredible in one color.  And I know that the Nittany Lions did not start this tradition.</p>
<p>My bad on bringing up other sports, I completely breezed over the basketball nature of the original post and chose to have tunnel vision towards the color discussion. Partly due to the picture of Happy Valley that you included in the original post (third pic), but my error, nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Surly Bird</title>
		<link>http://thesurlybird.com/arguments/attention-basketball-fans-no-one-is-impressed/comment-page-1/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Surly Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post Ryan James. Your points are both well-researched and well-argued. However, I have some objections.

First of all, as the title of the post indicates, I&#039;m addressing basketball fans. Not hockey fans. Not Penn St. fans. I never said the Miami Heat were the founders of the white-out. Rather, I said, &quot;their fans changed the dynamic of basketball as we know it.&quot; Not hockey. Not Penn St. Not sports. Just basketball. However, I think our readers will appreciate knowing where and why the first ever white-out started - that&#039;s good stuff.

Secondly, as Ryan points out, Penn St. does have the classiest uniforms in football. All white. No logos. Classic. So it&#039;s only natural that the fans mimic such a tradition. I applaud them for that. But again, it must be noted that my point applies, as stated above, to &quot;get hyped for a basketball game.&quot; This implies a one-time occurrence. Penn St.&#039;s white-clad fans are as standard as Nebraska&#039;s red, Tennessee&#039;s orange or Kentucky&#039;s blue. It happens every game. It&#039;s the color most synonymous with the school. It&#039;s not a marketing ploy. Large blocks of colors in student sections were not a direct spinoff of a Penn State football game in 2005 as you claim. In fact, it&#039;s probably safe to say that fans of teams like Ohio State and Michigan were wearing their team&#039;s colors to their annual battle a little before 2005, unless Michigan fans are okay being spotted in red that day.

And finally, the Miami Heat did not think of Happy Valley when envisioning their next marketing stunt, let alone a 1980&#039;s hockey game. Nowhere in the Heat&#039;s color scheme does white exist. White hot heat is nothing more than a play on words and a promotion for the guy who thought of it. It lasted no longer than the playoffs in 2006, minus a meager attempt the next year. But what did last is a recurring trend in college basketball that must be stopped. Wear your school colors. Don&#039;t hand out white shirts to make up for school spirit.

Penn St. - as Ryan James suggests, you can wear white. But we all know none of you attends basketball games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post Ryan James. Your points are both well-researched and well-argued. However, I have some objections.</p>
<p>First of all, as the title of the post indicates, I&#8217;m addressing basketball fans. Not hockey fans. Not Penn St. fans. I never said the Miami Heat were the founders of the white-out. Rather, I said, &#8220;their fans changed the dynamic of basketball as we know it.&#8221; Not hockey. Not Penn St. Not sports. Just basketball. However, I think our readers will appreciate knowing where and why the first ever white-out started &#8211; that&#8217;s good stuff.</p>
<p>Secondly, as Ryan points out, Penn St. does have the classiest uniforms in football. All white. No logos. Classic. So it&#8217;s only natural that the fans mimic such a tradition. I applaud them for that. But again, it must be noted that my point applies, as stated above, to &#8220;get hyped for a basketball game.&#8221; This implies a one-time occurrence. Penn St.&#8217;s white-clad fans are as standard as Nebraska&#8217;s red, Tennessee&#8217;s orange or Kentucky&#8217;s blue. It happens every game. It&#8217;s the color most synonymous with the school. It&#8217;s not a marketing ploy. Large blocks of colors in student sections were not a direct spinoff of a Penn State football game in 2005 as you claim. In fact, it&#8217;s probably safe to say that fans of teams like Ohio State and Michigan were wearing their team&#8217;s colors to their annual battle a little before 2005, unless Michigan fans are okay being spotted in red that day.</p>
<p>And finally, the Miami Heat did not think of Happy Valley when envisioning their next marketing stunt, let alone a 1980&#8217;s hockey game. Nowhere in the Heat&#8217;s color scheme does white exist. White hot heat is nothing more than a play on words and a promotion for the guy who thought of it. It lasted no longer than the playoffs in 2006, minus a meager attempt the next year. But what did last is a recurring trend in college basketball that must be stopped. Wear your school colors. Don&#8217;t hand out white shirts to make up for school spirit.</p>
<p>Penn St. &#8211; as Ryan James suggests, you can wear white. But we all know none of you attends basketball games.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a couple of issues with this.  First of all, the Miami Heat did not initiate the whiteout.  In the mid-1980s, the Winnipeg Jets and Calgary Flames were big rivals.  In an effort to counter the “Sea of Red” experienced at a Calgary Flames game, Winnipeg began having whiteouts for every game against the Flames. The arena looked like the inside of an igloo. Now, with that being said, I think it is rather obvious that not many people would know this due to the relative obscurity of the NHL, which brings me to my next point. Perhaps the greatest whiteout scenes occur in Happy Valley, where the Penn State Nittany Lions play under the venerable leadership of Joe Pa.  We all know that Penn State has arguably the best away jerseys in all of sports; all white. Everything. Helmets. Jerseys. Pants. Socks. In 2004, the student body decided that a great way to develop a home field advantage would be to have everyone wear white. No promotions. No marketing. Just show up in white, all 20,000 plus students. This led to the eventual whiteout of all 121,000 spectators in Happy Valley, the largest being against Ohio State in 2005. Their efforts have had a huge effect on the country, launching copycat sections of solid blocks of team colors at schools and arenas across the nation.  Enter the Miami Heat and their White-Hot theme.

The most important part of your argument lies in the marketing/promotional background of some of these feeble attempts of support.  That part is crap, and those organizations, whether a school or a professional team, should be utterly ashamed at the lengths they are going to in order to give an appearance of enthusiasm for mediocrity they are putting on the court/field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a couple of issues with this.  First of all, the Miami Heat did not initiate the whiteout.  In the mid-1980s, the Winnipeg Jets and Calgary Flames were big rivals.  In an effort to counter the “Sea of Red” experienced at a Calgary Flames game, Winnipeg began having whiteouts for every game against the Flames. The arena looked like the inside of an igloo. Now, with that being said, I think it is rather obvious that not many people would know this due to the relative obscurity of the NHL, which brings me to my next point. Perhaps the greatest whiteout scenes occur in Happy Valley, where the Penn State Nittany Lions play under the venerable leadership of Joe Pa.  We all know that Penn State has arguably the best away jerseys in all of sports; all white. Everything. Helmets. Jerseys. Pants. Socks. In 2004, the student body decided that a great way to develop a home field advantage would be to have everyone wear white. No promotions. No marketing. Just show up in white, all 20,000 plus students. This led to the eventual whiteout of all 121,000 spectators in Happy Valley, the largest being against Ohio State in 2005. Their efforts have had a huge effect on the country, launching copycat sections of solid blocks of team colors at schools and arenas across the nation.  Enter the Miami Heat and their White-Hot theme.</p>
<p>The most important part of your argument lies in the marketing/promotional background of some of these feeble attempts of support.  That part is crap, and those organizations, whether a school or a professional team, should be utterly ashamed at the lengths they are going to in order to give an appearance of enthusiasm for mediocrity they are putting on the court/field.</p>
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